User talk:Miss-Sophie

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:I requested the deletion of two of the images, user James Mylne uploaded: [[:File:JamesMylne.jpg]] and [[:File:Drawing of Jerri hall by James Mylne in Evening Standard Newspaper.jpg]], because of the reasons given on the pages [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:James Mylne.jpg]] and [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:Drawing of Jerri hall by James Mylne in Evening Standard Newspaper.jpg]]. User James Mylne was informed on [[:User talk:James Mylne|his talk page]], since he is the uploader, and could have - on the two mentioned pages with the deletion request - contributed his view to a discussion, whether the pictures should be deleted or not. He didn't respond, nor did any other user like for example you, so there was no discussion. An administrator for Wikimedia Commons found the reasons, given for the deletion, adequate and deleted the files after about a week. This is the usual process. I didn't see a problem with the two still existing images James Mylne uploaded ([[:File:Polo Pony, ballpoint biro drawing.jpg]] and [[:File:McQueen ballpoint biro drawing art.jpg]]), since no other copyright holder but him, the drawer, seems to be involved there. But this was not the case with the two pictures, that were deleted on my request, because the OTRS permission was insufficient, meaning the permission was not legitimate. --[[User:Miss-Sophie|Miss-Sophie]] ([[User talk:Miss-Sophie#top|talk]]) 12:19, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:I requested the deletion of two of the images, user James Mylne uploaded: [[:File:JamesMylne.jpg]] and [[:File:Drawing of Jerri hall by James Mylne in Evening Standard Newspaper.jpg]], because of the reasons given on the pages [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:James Mylne.jpg]] and [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:Drawing of Jerri hall by James Mylne in Evening Standard Newspaper.jpg]]. User James Mylne was informed on [[:User talk:James Mylne|his talk page]], since he is the uploader, and could have - on the two mentioned pages with the deletion request - contributed his view to a discussion, whether the pictures should be deleted or not. He didn't respond, nor did any other user like for example you, so there was no discussion. An administrator for Wikimedia Commons found the reasons, given for the deletion, adequate and deleted the files after about a week. This is the usual process. I didn't see a problem with the two still existing images James Mylne uploaded ([[:File:Polo Pony, ballpoint biro drawing.jpg]] and [[:File:McQueen ballpoint biro drawing art.jpg]]), since no other copyright holder but him, the drawer, seems to be involved there. But this was not the case with the two pictures, that were deleted on my request, because the OTRS permission was insufficient, meaning the permission was not legitimate. --[[User:Miss-Sophie|Miss-Sophie]] ([[User talk:Miss-Sophie#top|talk]]) 12:19, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 

 

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:: (by James Mylne) Hi Sophie. for the file: 'File:JamesMylne.jpg' I have been given permission to use that image by the photographer Danfung Dennis himself via email. I did forward this email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org 2 days ago, I included his personal email address for verification by you/wiki-commons. I don't know what else I can do in this case. If there is something (hopefully something straightforward), please let me know. Thanks. James
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:: (by James Mylne) Hi Sophie. for the file: 'File:JamesMylne.jpg' I have been given permission to use that image by the photographer Danfung Dennis himself via email. I did forward this email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org 2 days ago, I included his personal email address for verification by you/wiki-commons. I don't know what else I can do in this case. If there is something (hopefully something straightforward), please let me know. I'll also check the OTRS noticeboard. Thanks. James
 

 

 
:::Hi James, I can't undelete the picture, I'm just a "normal" user, but I will right now inform the administrator, who deleted it on my request, on his talk page and ask what should be done in this case (see [[user talk:INeverCry#Help needed: User wants a photo, you deleted on my request, to be undeleted. What to do?|here]]). I don't know about the best way to handle an undeletion request, since I have never been in this situation before. If you provided a legitimate permission by Danfung Dennis, an undeletion should be possible.
 
:::Hi James, I can't undelete the picture, I'm just a "normal" user, but I will right now inform the administrator, who deleted it on my request, on his talk page and ask what should be done in this case (see [[user talk:INeverCry#Help needed: User wants a photo, you deleted on my request, to be undeleted. What to do?|here]]). I don't know about the best way to handle an undeletion request, since I have never been in this situation before. If you provided a legitimate permission by Danfung Dennis, an undeletion should be possible.
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:::BUT, to not harm any copyrights by doing it via Flickr: You have to be the only copyright holder, meaning this procedure is only legitimate for your own work - photos you took yourself, that don't show the work of other copyright holders. So this would for example be applicable, if you took a picture/scanned in one of your drawings and uploaded it to Flickr. But it would not be the right way for photos by other people (like Danfung Dennis), even if you included them in your Flickr photo stream and the copyright holder agreed to that. Wiki doesn't know, what the copyright holder said to you about licensing, the correct way in such a case would still be the OTRS permission. --[[User:Miss-Sophie|Miss-Sophie]] ([[User talk:Miss-Sophie#top|talk]]) 16:37, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:::BUT, to not harm any copyrights by doing it via Flickr: You have to be the only copyright holder, meaning this procedure is only legitimate for your own work - photos you took yourself, that don't show the work of other copyright holders. So this would for example be applicable, if you took a picture/scanned in one of your drawings and uploaded it to Flickr. But it would not be the right way for photos by other people (like Danfung Dennis), even if you included them in your Flickr photo stream and the copyright holder agreed to that. Wiki doesn't know, what the copyright holder said to you about licensing, the correct way in such a case would still be the OTRS permission. --[[User:Miss-Sophie|Miss-Sophie]] ([[User talk:Miss-Sophie#top|talk]]) 16:37, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:{{comment}} The above mentioned images can only be restored if/when sufficient OTRS permission is confirmed. If permission has been sent, questions about the progress of processing can be asked at the [[COM:OTRS/N|OTRS noticeboard]]. As for the deletions, they were done properly and were completely justified. The proper notification was given at [[User talk:James Mylne]]. On Commons we need definite proof from any and all copyright holders of images that they've been released under a free license. The OTRS process can take time, as OTRS volunteers are very busy. Please be patient, and they'll get this figured out soon. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 18:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:{{comment}} The above mentioned images can only be restored if/when sufficient OTRS permission is confirmed. If permission has been sent, questions about the progress of processing can be asked at the [[COM:OTRS/N|OTRS noticeboard]]. As for the deletions, they were done properly and were completely justified. The proper notification was given at [[User talk:James Mylne]]. On Commons we need definite proof from any and all copyright holders of images that they've been released under a free license. The OTRS process can take time, as OTRS volunteers are very busy. Please be patient, and they'll get this figured out soon. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 18:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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Any progress which can be reported about the above? At the very least, permission for the photo-of-James-Mylne must be in your hands by now, no? I haven't heard from James directly this week but I just thought I'd check-in with you myself; I'd like to ba able to re-insert the photo of James as part of an upcoming wiki article revision which has been on standby while awaiting reinstatement. Thanks. [[User:Penwatchdog|Penwatchdog]] ([[User talk:Penwatchdog|talk]]) 05:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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