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::Hello, I agree with Chatsam. I know the difference between a saltire (or saltorel) (X) and a cross (+). But, according to the rules of heraldry, an heraldic charge, when placed on a inclined honourable ordinary, as a bend or a sinister bend, must follow the inclination of this honourable ordinary. Thus, when a saltorel is placed on a bend, it must be tilted to follow the direction of the bend. Visually the saltire "turns into" a cross. I apologize for my poor english. Regards --[[User:Tretinville|Tretinville]] ([[User talk:Tretinville|talk]]) 21:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

::Hello, I agree with Chatsam. I know the difference between a saltire (or saltorel) (X) and a cross (+). But, according to the rules of heraldry, an heraldic charge, when placed on a inclined honourable ordinary, as a bend or a sinister bend, must follow the inclination of this honourable ordinary. Thus, when a saltorel is placed on a bend, it must be tilted to follow the direction of the bend. Visually the saltire "turns into" a cross. I apologize for my poor english. Regards --[[User:Tretinville|Tretinville]] ([[User talk:Tretinville|talk]]) 21:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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:::Hello Chatsam and Tretinville, Sorry for the delay. I have been consulting with colleagues in the Heraldry Society and the Heraldry Society of Scotland. It seems that there are two standards - the French and the English/Scottish. While you both are quite right in saying that a saltire is a saltire, over here we put more emphasis on the visual aspects - what we see is what we blazon. That is to say that the cross and the saltire are exceptions to the rule. One of the reasons is that although charges are oriented in line with the bend automatically, we do not do so with the bend sinister or the saltire. On both of those the orientation of the charge must be specified.

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:::I was not aware that there were two different standards and for bringing it to my attention, I thank you. As you are no doubt aware, Chatsam, I am blazoning, in English, the shields you have created. I think you were quite right to re-instate the category:saltire. For my part, when it comes to blazoning these arms, I will blazon to the French standard, but put in a note about the English standard.

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:::Tretville - your English is very good. Far superior to my French! Regards to you both. [[User:Kiltpin|Kiltpin]] ([[User talk:Kiltpin#top|talk]]) 11:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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