File talk:Bentley Speed Six.JPG

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Hi everyone, on en.wiki, this image had a caption added which read 'Replica body on a Speed Six chassis' and that was reverted because someone said it wasn't so. I do not know myself, and I would like to ask if I may, what makes people on both sides take their differing positions on this, it would be awesome to give this image a lot more information than it already has, and even add some reasoning and details about the vehicle. [[User:Penyulap|'''Penyulap''']][[User talk:Penyulap| ☏]] 07:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 
Hi everyone, on en.wiki, this image had a caption added which read 'Replica body on a Speed Six chassis' and that was reverted because someone said it wasn't so. I do not know myself, and I would like to ask if I may, what makes people on both sides take their differing positions on this, it would be awesome to give this image a lot more information than it already has, and even add some reasoning and details about the vehicle. [[User:Penyulap|'''Penyulap''']][[User talk:Penyulap| ☏]] 07:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 

 

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:I have substituted a better Speed Six image at both articles. [[User:Writegeist|Writegeist]] ([[User talk:Writegeist|talk]]) 17:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:I have substituted a better Speed Six image at both articles. [[User:Writegeist|Writegeist]] ([[User talk:Writegeist|talk]]) 17:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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::well, fair enough if you don't want my assistance I can simply help Eddaido and SamBlob. It's a bit of a shame because I'm not too bad at resolving conflicts and surely I have some good ideas. Obviously that wouldn't be a level playing field for you, but if Eddaido and SamBlob have no objections to me helping just them and not you, that's ok too.
 
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::To respond to the subject you raise, I'm not banned and never have been, banned means that the whole community has had a say. A block is a few people who don't agree with you. The blocks have been [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Penyulap/Archives/2013#Your_protection_of_Penyulap.27s_talkpage more than controversial] and one editor thought it was a good idea to block the entire community from my talkpage in order to 'disperse the crowds' hardly synonymous with the basic concept of consensus. It has led to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Penyulap/Archives/2013#The_actual_future.2C_and_the_more_than_20.2C000_people_who_experienced_the_broken_.27pedia_on_the_ISS_page poor quality control] on that project and more importantly the loss of many editors [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jaguar Jaguar] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Andreasegde Andreasegde] and dear [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ThatPeskyCommoner Pesky] are ones I recall off the top of my head, there are more, and there are many who are upset over the while thing. I think it was yesterday that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rich_Farmbrough the man who made 5 million edits to wikipedia], 1 million manually and the rest with a robot army, was blocked for a full year for using cut and paste. So I'm in good company when it comes to having a ludicrous block on that project. My bot was blocked with checkuser, that's where someone can't actually work out who is operating the bot, so look at [[:W:User:PALZ9000|PALZ]] userpage and tell me if that makes sense to you. Whatever, you can hang on to your opinion and that's just fine. Both Eddaido and SamBlob are aware and have no problem with it I believe.
 
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::Now to the subject at hand, it is true that citations are required on wikipedia, however, not always. When concepts are well understood by readers already, are covered in the text in the case of captions, or just too basic, they're not needed. I'll quote [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:When_to_cite#When_a_source_may_not_be_needed policy for en.wiki]:
 
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===When a source may not be needed===
 
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see also [[:W:Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue|You don't need to cite that the sky is blue]] as well as [[:W:Wikipedia:Likely to be challenged|Likely to be challenged]] as well as [[:W:Wikipedia:The Pope is Catholic|The Pope is Catholic]] as well as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_overkill Citation_overkill]
 
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* '''General common knowledge''': Statements that the average adult recognizes as true. Examples: "Paris is the capital of France" or "Humans normally have two arms and two legs."
 
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* '''Subject-specific common knowledge''': Material that someone familiar with a topic, including laypersons, recognizes as true. Example (from [[Central processing unit|Processor]]): "In a computer, the processor is the component that executes instructions."
 
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::So the question is not a matter of 'where is the citation' it may be 'does it require a citation at all'. Now certainly that is something that Eddaido and SamBlob can help with. I'm quite sure that each of them has forgotten more about vintage cars than I've ever known ! I think I could give a general knowledge opinion, and you guys can give a subject-specific common knowledge opinion as well.
 
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::I think the discussion will head towards the question of 'what is a Replica body' and I would expect, given that the model is about 85 years old, that if a non-replica body is an original body and 80 years old or older, than captioning this photo with 'original body' might be more of a claim that is likely to be challenged than suggesting the car has been restored with replica parts. [[User:Penyulap|'''Penyulap''']][[User talk:Penyulap| ☏]] 18:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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