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* AnonMoos (and others): the thing is, in the specific case of Native Americans / American Indians, as I noted above, the term "costume" has enormous potential to give offense, and while "national" works north of the US-Canadian border (where the term "First Nations" is prevalent) it's a bit confusing in the US, where quite a few prefer the term "tribe" (just to make it complicated, a few, such as the Cherokee, definitely prefer "nation"). Whatever we do, I think it is very important that traditional clothing and modern regalia of Native Americans worn by Native Americans not be called "costume", because the term is considered insulting by the people wearing that clothing. It is similar to why we don't use the term "Gypsies" even though it is probably more widely understood than "Roma people": the people it refers to generally find it insulting.
 
* AnonMoos (and others): the thing is, in the specific case of Native Americans / American Indians, as I noted above, the term "costume" has enormous potential to give offense, and while "national" works north of the US-Canadian border (where the term "First Nations" is prevalent) it's a bit confusing in the US, where quite a few prefer the term "tribe" (just to make it complicated, a few, such as the Cherokee, definitely prefer "nation"). Whatever we do, I think it is very important that traditional clothing and modern regalia of Native Americans worn by Native Americans not be called "costume", because the term is considered insulting by the people wearing that clothing. It is similar to why we don't use the term "Gypsies" even though it is probably more widely understood than "Roma people": the people it refers to generally find it insulting.
 
* Jbarta, I agree that there is always a bit of a tricky mater in separating "costume" from "clothing", especially in the case of people assimilated to a culture wearing clothing of a culture identified with their past. And maybe the "clothing and costumes" category is the solution, though I'm not sure how it fits our existing hierarchy, and I'm not sure it avoids the issue of offense. I'd really love to have a few Native Americans in this discussion; I am guessing that none of the people who have chimed in are Native American, but correct me if I'm wrong. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 00:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 
* Jbarta, I agree that there is always a bit of a tricky mater in separating "costume" from "clothing", especially in the case of people assimilated to a culture wearing clothing of a culture identified with their past. And maybe the "clothing and costumes" category is the solution, though I'm not sure how it fits our existing hierarchy, and I'm not sure it avoids the issue of offense. I'd really love to have a few Native Americans in this discussion; I am guessing that none of the people who have chimed in are Native American, but correct me if I'm wrong. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 00:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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Using the term "costume" for Indigenous clothing worn by Indigenous Americans is offensive. The term might have different connotations outside of the US, but within the US, it's not appropriate for traditional Indigenous clothing, especially ceremonial clothing. [[:Category:Native American dance regalia]] and [[:Category:Native American clothing]] are sufficient for Native American dress. [[:Category:Clothing of indigenous peoples of the Americas]] covers all non-US indigenous peoples of the Americas. Other members of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Greenland|WikiProject Greenland]] could probably speak to the category [[:Category:National costumes of Greenland]]. -[[User:Uyvsdi|Uyvsdi]] ([[User talk:Uyvsdi|talk]]) 00:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 

 

 
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