Commons:Village pump

‎Automatic production of credit lines for Commons images
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[[User:HYanWong|HYanWong]] ([[User talk:HYanWong|talk]]) 05:35, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 
[[User:HYanWong|HYanWong]] ([[User talk:HYanWong|talk]]) 05:35, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:I do not know the details of your code, and I did not tried it, but any code trying to automatically make sense of often messy file descriptions will run into trouble. It is a little of "trash in trash out" problem. For example [[Help:Gadget-Stockphoto | Gadget-Stockphoto]] suggested attribution for [[:File:Deborah ReadFranklin.jpg]] is "By oil on canvas by Benjamin Wilson (Attributed)[see page for license], via Wikimedia Commons", which makes little sense to me. [[Help:Gadget-Stockphoto | Gadget-Stockphoto]] attribution for [[:File:Alexander Phimister Proctor - Buffalo - Walters 2815 - Side A.jpg]] is "Walters Art Museum [Public domain, CC-BY-SA-3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0) or GFDL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html)], via Wikimedia Commons", which is quite wrong since the photo is not in PD. It is hard for people to figure those things out, and it is even harder for automatic codes. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|talk]]) 12:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:I do not know the details of your code, and I did not tried it, but any code trying to automatically make sense of often messy file descriptions will run into trouble. It is a little of "trash in trash out" problem. For example [[Help:Gadget-Stockphoto | Gadget-Stockphoto]] suggested attribution for [[:File:Deborah ReadFranklin.jpg]] is "By oil on canvas by Benjamin Wilson (Attributed)[see page for license], via Wikimedia Commons", which makes little sense to me. [[Help:Gadget-Stockphoto | Gadget-Stockphoto]] attribution for [[:File:Alexander Phimister Proctor - Buffalo - Walters 2815 - Side A.jpg]] is "Walters Art Museum [Public domain, CC-BY-SA-3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0) or GFDL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html)], via Wikimedia Commons", which is quite wrong since the photo is not in PD. It is hard for people to figure those things out, and it is even harder for automatic codes. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|talk]]) 12:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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:Nice. Seems to me you are doing extra work as you do not take into account our [[Commons:Machine-readable_data]] (through which you can retrieve license URLs for example).
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::Nice. Seems to me you are doing extra work as you do not take into account our [[Commons:Machine-readable_data]] (through which you can retrieve license URLs for example).
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:(relevant to this discussion is [https://github.com/skagedal/usecommons usecommons], a Python library written by [[User:skagedal]] which emulates StockPhoto).
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::(relevant to this discussion is [https://github.com/skagedal/usecommons usecommons], a Python library written by [[User:skagedal]] which emulates StockPhoto).
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:As for the “trash in, trash out” problem Jarekt mentions, a solution is to enforce better standards in that respect − a relevant proposal is [[User:Rillke/Technical file description policy]]. We simply do not label complex media well enough. If we deem this a problem, then we can improve our labelling and the tools to take it into account (the template {{tl|Copyright information}} is an interesting step in that respect).
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::As for the “trash in, trash out” problem Jarekt mentions, a solution is to enforce better standards in that respect − a relevant proposal is [[User:Rillke/Technical file description policy]]. We simply do not label complex media well enough. If we deem this a problem, then we can improve our labelling and the tools to take it into account (the template {{tl|Copyright information}} is an interesting step in that respect).
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:But I would be curious to really know the extent of the problem. Lots of our media are straight Own work / CC-BY-SA for which there are no problems, for example.
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::But I would be curious to really know the extent of the problem. Lots of our media are straight Own work / CC-BY-SA for which there are no problems, for example.
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:[[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|talk]]) 13:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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::[[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|talk]]) 13:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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:::I am all for better standards, however they are hard to enforce. We have huge backlog of uncategorized images, 125k images with no author information, and plenty of images like [[:File:Nick Higham in front of board.jpg|this one]] that did not have a license since it's upload in 2008. I guess one think a process for credit line creation should be able to do is to recognize incomplete data and not suggest anything if license of author is missing. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|talk]]) 11:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 

 

 
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