Commons:Deletion requests/File:The Torment of Saint Anthony (Michelangelo) detail.jpg

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:IANA(c)L but I don't see how cropping to a frame by itself adds originality. Unless the Foundation's legal counsel says otherwise, [[Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag#The position of the WMF]] seems to apply to faithful reproductions of such croppings as the part being photographed is itself a "two-dimensional work of art." Besides, an excerpt of a painting, or for that matter a slavish reproduction of such an excerpt, is analogous to an excerpt from a public-domain text. Alone, an excerpt from a text cannot be copyrighted and I don't think an crop of a non-copyrightable reproduction of a public domain work of art can be either. But it can be included in a larger work, such as a book (for text or photographs) or montage (for photographs) which is copyrighted. Note: I am the uploader of the image under discussion. [[User:Davidwr|Davidwr]] ([[User talk:Davidwr|talk]]) 05:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:IANA(c)L but I don't see how cropping to a frame by itself adds originality. Unless the Foundation's legal counsel says otherwise, [[Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag#The position of the WMF]] seems to apply to faithful reproductions of such croppings as the part being photographed is itself a "two-dimensional work of art." Besides, an excerpt of a painting, or for that matter a slavish reproduction of such an excerpt, is analogous to an excerpt from a public-domain text. Alone, an excerpt from a text cannot be copyrighted and I don't think an crop of a non-copyrightable reproduction of a public domain work of art can be either. But it can be included in a larger work, such as a book (for text or photographs) or montage (for photographs) which is copyrighted. Note: I am the uploader of the image under discussion. [[User:Davidwr|Davidwr]] ([[User talk:Davidwr|talk]]) 05:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 
::The policy already says otherwise at “[[Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag]]”, the page you cite, but you can confirm it with counsel. The policy says that only ''full-frame'' technical reproductions are non-copyrightable and can take the {{tl|PD-Art}} tag. The ''full-frame'' requirement is there for good reason: as soon as you frame (crop) you have made a creative choice, which adds originality. It seems your intent is for your work to enter the public domain. If so, simply release it. “[[Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag]]” explains how to use the tags {{tl|PD-self}} or {{tl|CC-0}} for that purpose. For more information see “[[Commons:Donate to the public domain]]”. {{Autotranslate|base=Unsigned|1=Metaed|2=18:27, 12 March 2013‎|3=}}
 
::The policy already says otherwise at “[[Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag]]”, the page you cite, but you can confirm it with counsel. The policy says that only ''full-frame'' technical reproductions are non-copyrightable and can take the {{tl|PD-Art}} tag. The ''full-frame'' requirement is there for good reason: as soon as you frame (crop) you have made a creative choice, which adds originality. It seems your intent is for your work to enter the public domain. If so, simply release it. “[[Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag]]” explains how to use the tags {{tl|PD-self}} or {{tl|CC-0}} for that purpose. For more information see “[[Commons:Donate to the public domain]]”. {{Autotranslate|base=Unsigned|1=Metaed|2=18:27, 12 March 2013‎|3=}}
 
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:::Just to be clear, I did not do the cropping. This crop along with several others was released by the Kimbell Art Museum. They no longer have all of them on their web page, but you can see this and other crops at https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/05/12/arts/20090512_PAINTING_SLIDESHOW_index.html ([https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/05/12/arts/20090512_PAINTING_SLIDESHOW_index-3.html this image)]. In any case, I do not accept that ''mere'' cropping constitutes sufficient "creativity" as to generate a copyright, at least not with respect to standard-shaped crops. A uniquely-shaped crop, perhaps. But then again, I am not a lawyer. [[User:Davidwr|Davidwr]] ([[User talk:Davidwr|talk]]) 04:31, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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