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The link in the source field doesn't tell where this comes from or how old it is. There is a licence tag claiming that this is anonymous, but without any information about where it was published (if published), it isn't possible to tell whether the photographer was credited in that publication or not. Also, unless it was published before 1923, it might still be protected by copyright in the United States. [[User:Stefan4|Stefan4]] ([[User talk:Stefan4|talk]]) 00:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
The link in the source field doesn't tell where this comes from or how old it is. There is a licence tag claiming that this is anonymous, but without any information about where it was published (if published), it isn't possible to tell whether the photographer was credited in that publication or not. Also, unless it was published before 1923, it might still be protected by copyright in the United States. [[User:Stefan4|Stefan4]] ([[User talk:Stefan4|talk]]) 00:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/10921.htm] "Photographed at NAS De Mok at Texel, the Netherlands, July 1918-mid 1920, source unknown". This is {{tl|PD-1923}}, at least; note that the aircraft was scrapped in 1920. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] ([[User talk:The Bushranger|talk]]) 01:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/10921.htm] "Photographed at NAS De Mok at Texel, the Netherlands, July 1918-mid 1920, source unknown". This is {{tl|PD-1923}}, at least; note that the aircraft was scrapped in 1920. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] ([[User talk:The Bushranger|talk]]) 01:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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* '''keep''' Yet-the-fuck-again we ''only'' need sources and precise dates when these might credibly affect their licensing status. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 01:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
* '''keep''' Yet-the-fuck-again we ''only'' need sources and precise dates when these might credibly affect their licensing status. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 01:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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* First of all, Dutch photos are usually only in the public domain in the United States if they were published before 1923. The only information we have is a date of creation (which also differs from source to source). There is no information about when or where it was first published, so there is no way to tell whether it was published before 1923 or not. If it is anonymous and first published on the Internet in modern times, then the copyright expires in the United States at the earliest 120 years after it was taken. No source has indicated that it is at least 120 years old.
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: Secondly, "source unknown" only means that the owner of that website doesn't know where it comes from. That's the same with us: we have a photo of unknown origin, so we don't know where it comes from. It might have been published somewhere, and the publication might have mentioned the name of the photographer, in which case the photo doesn't enter the public domain in the Netherlands until 70 years after the death of the photographer.
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: Thus, we have two potential situations: it may be unpublished (in which case it is still protected by copyright in the United States), and it might have been published (in which case the publication needs to be identified so that we can verify whether the photographer's name is mentioned there or not). In either case, there is clearly insufficient information to keep the image. --[[User:Stefan4|Stefan4]] ([[User talk:Stefan4|talk]]) 01:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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