Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sir Henry Rider Haggard.png

Reply to Slowking4: you have to provide evidence that it really is PD, not the other way around
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No evidence that it was published (or even taken) in the US before 1923. Uploaded to the English Wikipedia first as ca. 1920s ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_Henry_Rider_Haggard.png]), when challenged there swiftly uploaded here with the new date of "ca. 1900s", without any evidence to support this sudden change of 20 years. The claimed date may be correct, but without any means to verify this, we shouldn't just assume it to be correct. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 12:08, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 
No evidence that it was published (or even taken) in the US before 1923. Uploaded to the English Wikipedia first as ca. 1920s ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_Henry_Rider_Haggard.png]), when challenged there swiftly uploaded here with the new date of "ca. 1900s", without any evidence to support this sudden change of 20 years. The claimed date may be correct, but without any means to verify this, we shouldn't just assume it to be correct. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 12:08, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:i didn't see any evidence for the 1920's. appears to be same date as [[File:Henry Rider Haggard 02.jpg|50px]], but these are all guesses. are you seriously arguing that it was taken in 1924 or 1925? tell you what, there are several biographies. if i go to the library of congress and sort through their photo credits, will you accept a report, or do you need a notarized statement from the photographer? btw check out the provenance of [[File:HRiderHaggard.jpg|50px]] which has the exact same problem. by your actions on the latter item, we will judge whether you are fair dealing or just hounding. [[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]]⇔[[User_talk:Slowking4| †@1₭]] 13:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:i didn't see any evidence for the 1920's. appears to be same date as [[File:Henry Rider Haggard 02.jpg|50px]], but these are all guesses. are you seriously arguing that it was taken in 1924 or 1925? tell you what, there are several biographies. if i go to the library of congress and sort through their photo credits, will you accept a report, or do you need a notarized statement from the photographer? btw check out the provenance of [[File:HRiderHaggard.jpg|50px]] which has the exact same problem. by your actions on the latter item, we will judge whether you are fair dealing or just hounding. [[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]]⇔[[User_talk:Slowking4| †@1₭]] 13:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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::Do you, the uploader, have any indication whatsoever that this image was '''published''' in the US (or even elsewhere) before 1923? ''You'', the one claiming that it is public domain, has to provide evidence to support ''your'' claim; I can't prove that it isn't public domain, having no reliable indication of when the image was taken or when it was first published. Your comment is nothing but distraction, the Library of Congress has nothing to do with this file, and I am discussing this file, not any of the probably thousands of others on Commons that may have similar problems (although the one you link to is at least considerably older, and any claim that that one was not ''taken'' prior to 1923 would be dubious: publication date is not clear though): and how you will judge me is the least of my concerns. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 10:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

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