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* '''Keep''', this is topographic map + facts. [[User:Serebr|Serebr]] ([[User talk:Serebr|talk]]) 14:29, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
* '''Keep''', this is topographic map + facts. [[User:Serebr|Serebr]] ([[User talk:Serebr|talk]]) 14:29, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
**Well, an obvious question is how can you tell? It's so blessed tiny. In any event, http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Karta1.PNG has a full-sized version of it where you can actually see the map. This map is clearly and unambiguously copyrighted per the court ruling I cited. The map depicts an "approximate 'cenote zone'". (I have no idea what that is, but the author exercised skill and discretion in selecting it. It shows a bunch of hotels and other interesting landmarks where the author exercised skill and discretion in picking which ones he wanted to show. A map that is nothing more than an embodiment of facts is public domain. A map where there is any skill and discretion involved is copyrighted. And besides, even if it weren't copyrighted in America, the country of origin is Mexico - even if it were public domain in America (which it isn't) it's still copyrighted in Mexico. --[[User:UserB|UserB]] ([[User talk:UserB|talk]]) 15:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
**Well, an obvious question is how can you tell? It's so blessed tiny. In any event, http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Karta1.PNG has a full-sized version of it where you can actually see the map. This map is clearly and unambiguously copyrighted per the court ruling I cited. The map depicts an "approximate 'cenote zone'". (I have no idea what that is, but the author exercised skill and discretion in selecting it. It shows a bunch of hotels and other interesting landmarks where the author exercised skill and discretion in picking which ones he wanted to show. A map that is nothing more than an embodiment of facts is public domain. A map where there is any skill and discretion involved is copyrighted. And besides, even if it weren't copyrighted in America, the country of origin is Mexico - even if it were public domain in America (which it isn't) it's still copyrighted in Mexico. --[[User:UserB|UserB]] ([[User talk:UserB|talk]]) 15:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
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***Then you have to correct rule Wikimedia - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works#Maps , because according under this rule the decision to delete the maps or not. If you think it is against the law, it is necessary to speak with the leadership Wikimedia (not write here). Otherwise it what are you complaining by federal law to the sheriff of a small town. ''And besides, even if it weren't copyrighted in America, the country of origin is Mexico - even if it were public domain in America (which it isn't) it's still copyrighted in Mexico. --[[User:UserB|UserB]] ([[User talk:UserB|talk]]) 15:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)'' - author and the source of the U.S. (Bruce Rogers. Grutas de Balancanche. // AMCS Activities Newsletter, [http://www.amcs-pubs.org/nl/27.htm № 27], May 2004. P. 79.), so the full effect [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works#Maps '''In the United States, many maps are in the public domain.''']. Or do you think that the map of the cave in Mexico, made by U.S. scientists and published in the U.S. journal, is the property of Mexico? then geographical map of Africa, made by the U.S. space Satellite, is the property of Africa. [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 04:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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***Then you have to correct rule Wikimedia - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works#Maps , because according under this rule the decision to delete the maps or not. If you think it is against the law, it is necessary to speak with the leadership Wikimedia (not write here). Otherwise it what are you complaining by federal law to the sheriff of a small town. ''And besides, even if it weren't copyrighted in America, the country of origin is Mexico - even if it were public domain in America (which it isn't) it's still copyrighted in Mexico. --[[User:UserB|UserB]] ([[User talk:UserB|talk]]) 15:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)'' - author and the source of the U.S. (Bruce Rogers. Grutas de Balancanche. // AMCS Activities Newsletter, [http://www.amcs-pubs.org/nl/27.htm № 27], May 2004. P. 79.), so the full effect [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works#Maps '''In the United States, many maps are in the public domain.''']. Or do you think that the map of the cave in Mexico, made by U.S. scientists and published in the U.S. journal, is the property of Mexico? then geographical map of Africa, made by the U.S. [[w:Space]] [[w:Satellite]], is the property of Africa. [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 04:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
* ''** Yes; a topographical map refers to the surface features, and this is obviously subsurface. To mark artifact finds on the map is a choice, and to mark major ones is a slightly creative choice.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC)*** Topographic map of the cave means complete (accurate) map of the '''ALL''' cave - no does not choose which parts of the cave painting, and which parts of the cave are not painting. Here is how the cave is, let it draw. Read on the Internet about the topography and geodesic map if you do not believe me. [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 04:32, 14 March 2013 (UTC)**** [[w:Topography]] says "Topography (from Greek τόπος topos, "place", and γράφω graphō, "write") is a field of planetary science comprising the study of surface shape and features of the Earth". There's no such thing as a complete (accurate) map of a three-dimensional object, and this one is clearly idealized in some fashions.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 07:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)***** Wikipedia is not an authoritative source. Here offhand sources topography of caves. [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/biblio/uis_signatures_eng.pdf Cave Symbols - The official UIS Symbol List (State 1999 - voted by the national delegates)], [http://www.speleo.lt/speleo/paskaitu_konspektai/uis_sutartiniai_zenklai_pilnas.pdf Cave Symbols - The official UIS Symbol List (State 1999 - voted by the national delegates)], [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/biblio/klimchuk86.htm Classes '''topo''' survey work in the caves], [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/biblio/topographic_work_in_caves.pdf '''topographic-geodetic''' work in horizontal caves], [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/books/metod_opis.htm methodology description of caves*methodology '''topographic''' shooting underground] . [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 09:21, 14 March 2013 (UTC)'' [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
* ''** Yes; a topographical map refers to the surface features, and this is obviously subsurface. To mark artifact finds on the map is a choice, and to mark major ones is a slightly creative choice.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC)*** Topographic map of the cave means complete (accurate) map of the '''ALL''' cave - no does not choose which parts of the cave painting, and which parts of the cave are not painting. Here is how the cave is, let it draw. Read on the Internet about the topography and geodesic map if you do not believe me. [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 04:32, 14 March 2013 (UTC)**** [[w:Topography]] says "Topography (from Greek τόπος topos, "place", and γράφω graphō, "write") is a field of planetary science comprising the study of surface shape and features of the Earth". There's no such thing as a complete (accurate) map of a three-dimensional object, and this one is clearly idealized in some fashions.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 07:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)***** Wikipedia is not an authoritative source. Here offhand sources topography of caves. [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/biblio/uis_signatures_eng.pdf Cave Symbols - The official UIS Symbol List (State 1999 - voted by the national delegates)], [http://www.speleo.lt/speleo/paskaitu_konspektai/uis_sutartiniai_zenklai_pilnas.pdf Cave Symbols - The official UIS Symbol List (State 1999 - voted by the national delegates)], [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/biblio/klimchuk86.htm Classes '''topo''' survey work in the caves], [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/biblio/topographic_work_in_caves.pdf '''topographic-geodetic''' work in horizontal caves], [http://www.rgo-speleo.ru/books/metod_opis.htm methodology description of caves*methodology '''topographic''' shooting underground] . [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 09:21, 14 March 2013 (UTC)'' [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
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