Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague

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This is not perfect as you don't necessarily want on the top level technical details of components or interiors, but as stated, it is a compromise. In the past, we have already discussed ideas to be able to tag some images as most representative/best/postcard type/... and to allow category displays to filter on that, but software development on wikipedia seems to be halted since years, at least on Commons. Note that we have very often a similar problem to create long flat lists (people by name, ships/aircraft by registration number, ...), but this is easier to solve with "xxx by yyy" categories. Alternatively, one could think of a category called "trams running in Prague operated by xxx operator", as to avoid overcat fundamentalists. --[[User:Foroa|Foroa]] ([[User talk:Foroa|talk]]) 18:21, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 
This is not perfect as you don't necessarily want on the top level technical details of components or interiors, but as stated, it is a compromise. In the past, we have already discussed ideas to be able to tag some images as most representative/best/postcard type/... and to allow category displays to filter on that, but software development on wikipedia seems to be halted since years, at least on Commons. Note that we have very often a similar problem to create long flat lists (people by name, ships/aircraft by registration number, ...), but this is easier to solve with "xxx by yyy" categories. Alternatively, one could think of a category called "trams running in Prague operated by xxx operator", as to avoid overcat fundamentalists. --[[User:Foroa|Foroa]] ([[User talk:Foroa|talk]]) 18:21, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 

 

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* Place each image into both '' in Prague'' and '' trams in Prague'', even though one is a subcat of the other. Ignore [[WP:OVERCAT]] where it is interpreted that no item should ever be included in a transitive supercategory. The reason is that each category here has a different [[:en:use case|use case]]: '''' is something like the tram model type, route or location (useful to many groups), whilst '''' is for tram-spotting individuals. Not my interest, not something I'd put interest into categorising (for mundane trams at least), but nor should I dismantle someone else's work in building such a category tree.
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* Place each image into both '' in Prague'' and ''< big cat > trams in Prague'', even though one is a subcat of the other. Ignore [[WP:OVERCAT]] where it is interpreted that no item should ever be included in a transitive supercategory. The reason is that each category here has a different [[:en:use case|use case]]: ''< big cat >'' is something like the tram model type, route or location (useful to many groups), whilst '''' is for tram-spotting individuals. Not my interest, not something I'd put interest into categorising (for mundane trams at least), but nor should I dismantle someone else's work in building such a category tree.
 
: As noted at the top, MW has many extensions such as DPL for making categories more powerful. However they won't be happening on WMF projects for good performance reasons. Sadly there's also a problem at WP especially, where categories are neither understood, nor used well. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 22:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 
: As noted at the top, MW has many extensions such as DPL for making categories more powerful. However they won't be happening on WMF projects for good performance reasons. Sadly there's also a problem at WP especially, where categories are neither understood, nor used well. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 22:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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::Thanks for the input, I think you're both thinking a little to broadly, having all photos of all trams in Prague in one category would be unusably big, and finding good images would be just as hard as know due to information overload, [[:Category:Churches in Belgium]] looks a little to broad for what I want. There would be 12 pages of images! I want one place where all photos of just one tram type are located, so I want all 140 images of Prague 15Ts to be in the category [[:Category:Škoda 15T in Prague]]. I don't care one way or another if they are also categorised by fleet number, the reason I wanted to upmerge was to avoid [[WP:OVERCAT]], that is the same reason I have proposed to move the fleet number categorisation system to another tree. But everything I have said has been slammed, I don't feel that ŠJů wants to discuss anyone of having all the photos of all the same type of tram in one place. If people think it is ok to [[WP:OVERCAT]] to make the images viewable in both cats I'm fine with that. Is there a way we can get BOTS to do this work? Or must it be done manually? I'd also like to add that cat scan seems quite broken for displaying images, only a hand full show up. [[User:Liamdavies|Liamdavies]] ([[User talk:Liamdavies|talk]]) 05:23, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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