Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague

‎Category:Trams in Prague: comment
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:::::I am not as knowledgeable as to know if there's a policy about that. But it does seem that, although with good intentions, somebody has gone overboard with categorisation. If there's only a single photo of each tram type, then it'd be much easier to simply put the type in the description of the image, and let the person to find that tram using [[Special:Search]]. But that is just my opinion. [[User:Sinnamon|Sinnamon]] ([[User talk:Sinnamon|talk]]) 06:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::I am not as knowledgeable as to know if there's a policy about that. But it does seem that, although with good intentions, somebody has gone overboard with categorisation. If there's only a single photo of each tram type, then it'd be much easier to simply put the type in the description of the image, and let the person to find that tram using [[Special:Search]]. But that is just my opinion. [[User:Sinnamon|Sinnamon]] ([[User talk:Sinnamon|talk]]) 06:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::This is exactly what I want to do, I want to put all pictures of one type/model/class into just one category (ie all pictures of 15Ts in Prague in [[:Category:Škoda 15T in Prague]]), but I would like consensus or a policy to back me up. The user who categorised them all seems to be quite quick to move and I'd rather not do a lot of work and then have it all reverted. Also, it's not type, it just the actual vehicle number, there is no difference between any of the trams in [[:Category:Škoda 15T in Prague]] except the number (maybe a few differences with the first couple, but the rest should be the same). It would be like categorising all cars in [[:Category:Police automobiles in Australia]] by registration plate, it just makes it difficult to find pictures for articles. [[User:Liamdavies|Liamdavies]] ([[User talk:Liamdavies|talk]]) 10:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::This is exactly what I want to do, I want to put all pictures of one type/model/class into just one category (ie all pictures of 15Ts in Prague in [[:Category:Škoda 15T in Prague]]), but I would like consensus or a policy to back me up. The user who categorised them all seems to be quite quick to move and I'd rather not do a lot of work and then have it all reverted. Also, it's not type, it just the actual vehicle number, there is no difference between any of the trams in [[:Category:Škoda 15T in Prague]] except the number (maybe a few differences with the first couple, but the rest should be the same). It would be like categorising all cars in [[:Category:Police automobiles in Australia]] by registration plate, it just makes it difficult to find pictures for articles. [[User:Liamdavies|Liamdavies]] ([[User talk:Liamdavies|talk]]) 10:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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Hi. I understand your reasons against this detailed categorization. However, you maybe undervalue the advantages and benefits.
 
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* When you argue that "many only have one picture", you should not neglect the "many have several or tens of pictures" and "just every vehicle have its one photo". That time that most of individual vehicles have their own photo on Commons, there is the right time to create corresponding subcategories.
 
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* The old Ringhoffer trams have no official type names, the fleet numbers are an useful instrument to systematize the photos.
 
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* Some types of trams were manufactured through tens of years - although it is identic type, many details were successively changed (T3 from 1960s is a bitt different than T3 from late 1970s) and the fleet number sequence is a good way how to reflect it.
 
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* Many photographs (even from transport fans) are not familiar with knowledge of tram types and subtypes. However, everybody of them should be able to categorize a tram by its sheet number, thereby indirectly assigns the tram to its type.
 
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* Individual tram vehicles are not so anonymous and identical as you believe. Above all, advertisement coats and plasters make the vehicles very distinctive. Some vehicles are specific as prototypes, modified pieces, many pieces have almost 50 years of their unique history, endured reconstructions and modifications, accidents, transfers from one depot to another etc. etc. Detailed categorization enables to group or list individual vehicles by their subseries, common attributes, identic history etc. and allows to connect the pre-reconstruction identity with the post-reconstruction identity of individual trams.
 
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I would be not in a hurry to apply this system on buses (which have substantially shorter lifetime period) but I think, this categorization of trams is very usefull and adequate to the current (and future) quantity of uploaded photos. The modular system of categorization is optimalized for detailed systematic classification. You can compenzate its disadvantages by gallery pages, paralel categorization by view (see [[:Category:Views of vehicles|Views of vehicles]]) or wait for new functionalities for more comfortable browsing of subcategories. --[[User:ŠJů|ŠJů]] ([[User talk:ŠJů|talk]]) 12:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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