Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Primitive and Natives art of war

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The title and the concept for this category is mind-bendingly racist and pejorative. This category should be deleted, and the images in question could be categorized in the appropriate [[:Category:Military history by country]]. -[[User:Uyvsdi|Uyvsdi]] ([[User talk:Uyvsdi|talk]]) 04:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 
The title and the concept for this category is mind-bendingly racist and pejorative. This category should be deleted, and the images in question could be categorized in the appropriate [[:Category:Military history by country]]. -[[User:Uyvsdi|Uyvsdi]] ([[User talk:Uyvsdi|talk]]) 04:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 
:Sorry Uyvsdi : there was absolutely no "racist" or "pejorative" intentions : the idea was to study the "art of war" among prehistoric peoples ( primitive ) and ancient natives nations - the military art of those nations being very close the prehistoric one refering to prehistoric paintings of gaming and combat - for an entry on FR-WIKIPEDI. And refering also to studies about that topic published eg by Emile Wanty, an historian and professor at the Belgian Ecole Royale Militaire which may certainly not be suspected of any form of racism! Cheers [[User:Thib Phil|Thib Phil]] ([[User talk:Thib Phil|talk]]) 13:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sorry Uyvsdi : there was absolutely no "racist" or "pejorative" intentions : the idea was to study the "art of war" among prehistoric peoples ( primitive ) and ancient natives nations - the military art of those nations being very close the prehistoric one refering to prehistoric paintings of gaming and combat - for an entry on FR-WIKIPEDI. And refering also to studies about that topic published eg by Emile Wanty, an historian and professor at the Belgian Ecole Royale Militaire which may certainly not be suspected of any form of racism! Cheers [[User:Thib Phil|Thib Phil]] ([[User talk:Thib Phil|talk]]) 13:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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:'''delete''' per nom, and reclassify in Military history by country. The term 'native' in this context can be seen as pejorative; Is a Frenchman on French soil a 'native'? If not, why is an Indian on Indian soil a 'native'? see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native] for further discussion. Finally, linking prehistoric/primitive groups with so-called 'native' groups is also a POV linkage - what do cave drawings in France have to do with Ghanaian soldiers in the 1860s? We could create a new cat called "Prehistoric art of war" that would collect ancient art such as cave art on this topic which would be interesting and not pejorative since it refers to a time period (instead of calling some group of people 'primitive'). --[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 17:05, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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::'''delete''' per nom, and reclassify in Military history by country. The term 'native' in this context can be seen as pejorative; Is a Frenchman on French soil a 'native'? If not, why is an Indian on Indian soil a 'native'? see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native] for further discussion. Finally, linking prehistoric/primitive groups with so-called 'native' groups is also a POV linkage - what do cave drawings in France have to do with Ghanaian soldiers in the 1860s? We could create a new cat called "Prehistoric art of war" that would collect ancient art such as cave art on this topic which would be interesting and not pejorative since it refers to a time period (instead of calling some group of people 'primitive'). --[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 17:05, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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:::Must be some misunderstanding indeed : native is translated "indigène" in french and the term is not racist ! So my apologies to whom feel schoked and do as you consider the best - I will just keep some webads of documents for my entry in french - just wait I created my "personal gallery". [[User:Thib Phil|Thib Phil]] ([[User talk:Thib Phil|talk]]) 17:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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