Commons:Categories for discussion/2012/05/Category:Pittsburgh Steps

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=== [[:Category:Healthcare in Afghanistan]] ===
 
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'''Merge''' to {{cl|Health in Afghanistan}}. This is a test nomination. Per the following CfDs:
 
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* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_28#Category:Healthcare_by_country]]
 
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* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_April_5#Category:Healthcare_in_England_by_county]]

 
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The separation between health and healthcare at the country level is no longer used in en.wikipedia categories. I think the same logic applies to commons categories. In addition, if you peruse them, they are just as likely to have pictures of hospitals in the 'health' category as in the 'healthcare' category. For example:
 
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* [[:Category:Health in Germany]], [[:Category:Healthcare in Germany]]; - both contain images of buildings and healthcare services
 
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* [[:Category:Health in Indonesia]], [[:Category:Healthcare in Indonesia]] - both contain images of health and healthcare; leprosy is listed under health, but images of lepers are found under healthcare
 
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* [[:Category:Healthcare in the United Kingdom]], [[:Category:Health in the United Kingdom]]; both contain images of hospitals and other buildings of care; however NHS (which is the major provider of healthcare services) is under 'Health' and not 'Healthcare'
 
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* [[:Category:Health in the United States]], [[:Category:Healthcare in the United States]]: health cat has a number of images of healthcare; healthcare cat has images of health statistics;
 
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* [[:Category:Health in Israel]], [[:Category:Health in Uganda]], [[:Category:Health in Venezuela]], [[:Category:Health in Côte d'Ivoire]] - none of these cats even have a healthcare subcat. There are also countries that have healthcare, but no health. Note that the Israel category is the best example of the final outcome that I am proposing. Take a look at it and ask yourself, do I need this further subdivided into 'healthcare' and 'everything else'? Is it bothersome that a swine-flu outbreak is on the same level as a category about hospitals?
 
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* [[:Category:Health in Spain]], [[:Category:Healthcare in Spain]] - barely anything in the healthcare subcat; nurses/doctors/healthcare all in 'health'
 
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* [[:Category:Healthcare in Canada]], [[:Category:Health in Canada]] - almost everything is in Health; healthcare is just a few articles, so they seem to have made this shift already.
 
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There is already a rich tree of various healthcare subcats that can and should be used, but a high-level distinction at the country level between health and healthcare is not needed. In cases where there are too many images, the solution should be to create subcats, like 'Hospitals' or 'Clinics' or 'Doctors' or 'Patients' - but a high-level separation between Health and Healthcare just ends up confusing editors, as you can see from the haphazard placement of items to date.

 
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Finally, maintaining these categories as is poses challenging classification problems: for example, in a given image, a patient may be receiving healthcare, or may be becoming more healthy. In addition, as was discussed the other CfDs, it is actually rather difficult find a sharp line between health and healthcare - for example, where does medical research and education, or blood banks, or HIV activism, or health legislation, or public health messaging, or death from cancer go? I could cite many other examples where it is ambiguous, and definition of [[Wikipedia:Health]] and [[Wikipedia:healthcare]] is not necessarily of much help, since healthcare is the activity, and health is the result (thus two sides of the same coin).

 
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At the end of the day, in order to make it easy for users to find and classify the images they are looking for, we have two choices:
 
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# accept the status quo, spend some time to come up with a long list of definitions as to what is healthcare and what is health, then go through all of these categories fixing things, and spend the next few years monitoring it to make sure images dont go awry
 
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# Merge the categories.
 
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Thus for now, I am proposing to merge these categories to 'Health in X', keeping a redirect at 'Healthcare in X' If this merge is accepted, I will nominate the other {{cl|Healthcare by country}} cats to merge to {{cl|Health by country}}
 
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[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 20:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 
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closed as merge. No arguments mooted against the merge. [[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 10:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 
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