Category talk:Icons for railway descriptions/crossing road

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==Renaming==
 
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If no one objects, I am going to rename the red/yellow and blue highways into {{User|Tuvalkin}}'s "R" set:
 
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{|
 
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|-align=center
 
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|width=30|RD1
 
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|width=30|RP1
 
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|width=30|RP2
 
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|width=30|RP4
 
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|width=30|RPA
 
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|width=30|RPM
 
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|-align=center
 
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|{{bsq|RD1|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|RP1|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|RP2|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|RP4|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|MWSTR|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|ROAD|2=0}}
 
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|-valign=top
 
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|colspan=4|
 
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|= '''R'''oad
'''P'''aved
'''A'''utobahn/
'''A'''utoroute/
'''A'''utostrada
 
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|= '''R'''oad
'''P'''aved
'''M'''otorway
 
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|} [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 00:19, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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:I’m very touched. *.*
 
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:Seriously, all standardization is good — but maybe before you go ahead and rename, maybe the RPA family should be checked for what’s exRPA and what not? Because I’m not sure that the difference between, say, {{BS-q|MWSTRq}} and {{BS-q|MROADq}} is intentional… -- [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuválkin]] [[User talk:Tuvalkin|✉]] 12:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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::Since there's only eight unique (12 total) red icons, I'd just convert them all to pink.
See [[User:Circeus/BSicon renaming/Red]] and [[User:Circeus/BSicon renaming/Blue]] for the full catalogue. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 17:06, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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:::Oops—I forgot about all of the AKRZ icons. I think they tilt the count in favour of red instead of pink. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 03:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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Question: I was under the impression that the plan was to ultimately use the G-roots (GU, G1-G4) for the RD and RP1-4 names? Tuvalkin was already using these for the new SKRZ icons (which are the expanded form for AKRZ: {{bsq|AKRZu}} -> {{bsq|SKRZ-G1u}}). I never got as far as to figure out a good naming scheme for the more complex icons, but I don't think it's be too hard (a great many can be dealt with by expanding the -Gx suffix to all railway roots: {{bsq|RP2xRP2}} -> KRZ-G2; {{bsq|RP4wns}} -> ABZ-G4l+fg).
 
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There are in fact several more different road crossing icons in use that belong in this series: [[User:Circeus/BSicon_renaming/Non-rail_crossings]]. This is why I came up with the SKRZ-xxx scheme.
 
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[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 22:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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:So, then:
 
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:{|
 
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|-align=center
 
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|width=30|-GU
 
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|width=30|-G1
 
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|width=30|-G2
 
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|width=30|-G4
 
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|width=75|-GA
 
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|width=75|-GM
 
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|width=75|-GN
 
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|width=75|-UA
 
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|width=75|-UB
 
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|-align=center
 
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|{{bsq|RD1|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|RP1|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|RP2|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|RP4|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|MWSTR|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|ROAD|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|uHKRZun|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|uHAROADu|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|KRZquy|2=0}}
 
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|-valign=top
 
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|colspan=4|
 
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|= '''G'''eneric
'''A'''utobahn/
'''A'''utoroute/
'''A'''utostrada
 
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|= '''G'''eneric
'''M'''otorway
 
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|= '''G'''eneric
u'''N'''specified
 
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|align=center|= '''U'''K
'''A''' road
 
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|align=center|= '''U'''K
'''B''' road
 
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|} [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 23:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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::I’m all for consistency and standardization in naming, but the set {{BS-q|RD1|2=0}}{{BS-q|RP1|2=0}}{{BS-q|RP2|2=0}}{{BS-q|RP4|2=0}} is meant to be self-sufficient in describing roads. Therefore the blue and the pink sets should keep names that do not bundle them at the same level as those 4 “generic” profiles. Pls read the intro of [[:Category:Icons for motorway descriptions/generic]] — it is meant to show only how a road more-or-less looks like (number of lines and type of paving), not its classification and tolling regime. Even if the pink and the blue sets cannot be readily pinned to a given country roadmap tradition, use an "X" or any other letter, and leave the "G" for those four.
 
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::As for renaming things like {{bsq|RP2xRP2}} to '''KRZ-G2''', I’m not frontally against, but the relative merits of that should be discussed in [[Category talk:Icons for motorway descriptions/generic]]. (''I.e.'', whenever there's a rail stretch in one of these road icons, rail nomenclature prevails, when not, lets go easy on the renamings.)
 
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::-- [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuválkin]] [[User talk:Tuvalkin|✉]] 02:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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:::I just wanted something simple and consistent... [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 03:37, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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::Wih non-generic road, I was using a letter followed by the country code for the primary users of that icon:
 
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::{|
 
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|-align=center
 
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|{{bsq|AKRZ-AUKu|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|MWSTR|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|ROAD|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|uHAROADu|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|KRZquy|2=0}}
 
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|{{bsq|uHKRZun|2=0}}
 
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|-
 
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! colspan=6| Proposal 1
 
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|-align=center
 
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|width=75|-GG
 
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|width=75|-ADE
 
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|width=75|-MUK
 
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|width=75|-AUK
 
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|width=75|-BUK
 
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|width=75|-FNO
 
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|- valign=top align=center
 
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|= '''G'''eneric, '''G'''reen
 
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|= '''A'''utoXXXX/
'''A'''-Road, German
 
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|= '''M'''otorway, UK
 
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|= '''A'''utoXXXX/
'''A'''-Road, UK
 
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|= '''B''' road, '''UK'''
 
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|= '''F'''ylkesvei, '''No'''rway
 
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|-
 
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! colspan=6| Proposal 2
 
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|-align=center
 
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|width=75|-GG
 
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|width=75|-1DE
 
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|width=75|-1UK
 
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|width=75|-2UK
 
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|width=75|-3UK
 
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|width=75|-3NO
 
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|- valign=top align=center
 
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|= '''G'''eneric, '''G'''reen
 
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|= lvl '''1''' roads, Germany
 
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|= lvl '''1''' roads, UK
 
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|= lvl '''2''' roads, UK
 
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|= lvl '''3''', UK
 
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|= lvl '''3''', Norway
 
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|}
 
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::I'm not clear what the Green icons were supposed to represent, but they are currently used in various ways on several projects. The odd -n icon is overwhelmingly used by the scandinavian projects. This schemes gives a ready, relatively easy way to set up eventual other systems (i.e. -AUS and -MUS would easily fit US roads and interstates respectively). If one wanted to make it even MORE general, you could define Highways as lvl 1 in a descending hierarchy that each country adapts by substituting or adding a lower level to. The only problem with that is that it leads to conflict in what the number means for generic and national icons. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 16:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 
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==Default road icons==
 
==Default road icons==
 
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:''This idea was meanwhile made true. See [[:Category talk:Icons for motorway descriptions/generic/crossing rail]]''
 

 

 
Could we have a set of “default” road icons to be used to illustrated railway diagrams without attempting to partly echo the roaddiagrams themselves? I yearn for a simple, subdued, homogenous set of road icons showing only its width (maybe single, dual and ≥4 lanes?) and surface (paved/dirt). That would allow diagrams to be created when the other info about the crossed roads is not available or is irrelevant. [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuvalkin]] ([[User talk:Tuvalkin|talk]]) 03:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 
Could we have a set of “default” road icons to be used to illustrated railway diagrams without attempting to partly echo the roaddiagrams themselves? I yearn for a simple, subdued, homogenous set of road icons showing only its width (maybe single, dual and ≥4 lanes?) and surface (paved/dirt). That would allow diagrams to be created when the other info about the crossed roads is not available or is irrelevant. [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuvalkin]] ([[User talk:Tuvalkin|talk]]) 03:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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